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		<title>By: ilovenestor</title>
		<link>http://www.dustinweber.com/main-page/the-best-php-framework-is-symfony-really-it/comment-page-2/#comment-929</link>
		<dc:creator>ilovenestor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG! Ruby is an easy language to learn! Very elegant... I had been working with PHP for a few months now and I miss Ruby (Although the switch was very smooth). My mother tongue is Java. Ruby code is very clear and modular; Same goes with Scala... Scala + Lift --&gt; The best, simply the best!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG! Ruby is an easy language to learn! Very elegant&#8230; I had been working with PHP for a few months now and I miss Ruby (Although the switch was very smooth). My mother tongue is Java. Ruby code is very clear and modular; Same goes with Scala&#8230; Scala + Lift &#8211;&gt; The best, simply the best!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Eagle</title>
		<link>http://www.dustinweber.com/main-page/the-best-php-framework-is-symfony-really-it/comment-page-2/#comment-913</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 07:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Symfony framework is great. Good thing it uses the MVC pattern. I have MVC knowledge from my Joomla developments and believe this is a very efficient design pattern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Symfony framework is great. Good thing it uses the MVC pattern. I have MVC knowledge from my Joomla developments and believe this is a very efficient design pattern.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheldmandu</title>
		<link>http://www.dustinweber.com/main-page/the-best-php-framework-is-symfony-really-it/comment-page-2/#comment-891</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheldmandu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 04:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did some comprehensive performance benchmarks of all the latest PHP MVC Frameworks including Yii 1.1.1, Kohana 2.3.4 and Code Igniter 1.7.2 as well as others.  The results and analysis of results is here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sheldmandu.com/php/php-mvc-frameworks/php-mvc-framework-performance-part-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Comparing PHP MVC Framework Performance&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did some comprehensive performance benchmarks of all the latest PHP MVC Frameworks including Yii 1.1.1, Kohana 2.3.4 and Code Igniter 1.7.2 as well as others.  The results and analysis of results is here: <a href="http://www.sheldmandu.com/php/php-mvc-frameworks/php-mvc-framework-performance-part-1" rel="nofollow">Comparing PHP MVC Framework Performance</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yogendra Ghorecha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yogendra Ghorecha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 06:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer codigniter for newbie....

- Yogi Ghorecha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer codigniter for newbie&#8230;.</p>
<p>- Yogi Ghorecha</p>
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		<title>By: adwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>adwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 15:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPDATE: I have actually changed my mind! Please read this, this, and this.
--&gt; the links are not working ......

have you really change your mind ? :) 
is there something better than symfony ? kohana or codeigniter may be ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE: I have actually changed my mind! Please read this, this, and this.<br />
&#8211;&gt; the links are not working &#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>have you really change your mind ? <img src='http://www.dustinweber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
is there something better than symfony ? kohana or codeigniter may be ?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouzer.3.14.16</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymouzer.3.14.16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 02:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only wusses need a framework. Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only wusses need a framework. Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: haziri</title>
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		<dc:creator>haziri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you man. really hard to code everything from the beginning for each project. need framework now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you man. really hard to code everything from the beginning for each project. need framework now.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Excellent thread.  I just tried to click on Dustin&#039;s Update &quot;this, this and this&quot; but just received a 404.

Any idea where the rest of the reading might be?

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Excellent thread.  I just tried to click on Dustin&#8217;s Update &#8220;this, this and this&#8221; but just received a 404.</p>
<p>Any idea where the rest of the reading might be?</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Isa Test</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isa Test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ordered the product and wish to order more how quick will it arrive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ordered the product and wish to order more how quick will it arrive?</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias Sjösten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias Sjösten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this subject! A note though: the links in your update are broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this subject! A note though: the links in your update are broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Metsker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Metsker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the article. I am new at python and this was a big help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article. I am new at python and this was a big help.</p>
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		<title>By: Cake 1.2 slowly to Symfony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cake 1.2 slowly to Symfony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for a large advertising agency, before I started we only did MS .NET (C#) with the forms approach, we have since implemented Cake on many of our web builds however I have been looking to branch out into other MVC frameworks.

Long story short I looked into Symfony and found it to be what I was looking for. I esp. like the different &quot;Environments&quot; and being able to do a deploy right from the cmd line.

The Doctrine ORM just makes sence to me, and while I liked Cake alot I never like the whole dynamic ORM that it does. Doctrine on the other hand reminds me alot of Hibernate that I have used before in my J2EE development.

As far as the comment about not using frameworks goes, speed, consistency, re usability, portability(as in moved from one server to another) and flexibility are clearly not an issue for you or your poor clients then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a large advertising agency, before I started we only did MS .NET (C#) with the forms approach, we have since implemented Cake on many of our web builds however I have been looking to branch out into other MVC frameworks.</p>
<p>Long story short I looked into Symfony and found it to be what I was looking for. I esp. like the different &#8220;Environments&#8221; and being able to do a deploy right from the cmd line.</p>
<p>The Doctrine ORM just makes sence to me, and while I liked Cake alot I never like the whole dynamic ORM that it does. Doctrine on the other hand reminds me alot of Hibernate that I have used before in my J2EE development.</p>
<p>As far as the comment about not using frameworks goes, speed, consistency, re usability, portability(as in moved from one server to another) and flexibility are clearly not an issue for you or your poor clients then.</p>
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		<title>By: web development company</title>
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		<dc:creator>web development company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. . now the boosting your web development skills on Symfony or ROR is very invaluable to accomplish many web projects &amp; helping to develop new trends website over  . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. . now the boosting your web development skills on Symfony or ROR is very invaluable to accomplish many web projects &amp; helping to develop new trends website over  . .</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Havener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Havener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um... Hello???    Codeigniter. Period. Done. Next Song. NEXT. SONG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230; Hello???    Codeigniter. Period. Done. Next Song. NEXT. SONG.</p>
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		<title>By: Shamun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be true all those frameworks are some individuals like you and us creators, they for them self to sit in business make a frameworks, all of us and you, just got cheated by them.

1. If you are doing a ajax and ajax, dealing with GET/POST, where the performance carry? Browser or in Framework? you cant prove me how the cake/symfony can make more performance on top of that? Because he is using himself the core of it, where we can make more better by pure hand muscles coder, like a guy wrote. You know what with respect f..k u too.


2. i use extJS, jQuery, and java for voip in local intranet solutions, the hell i ask to those frameworks designers, and the users, they does nothing, doing some packets switching for GET/POST. The rest thanks goes to PHP itself who is talking with shell. 
a. the rest shit happens, between browsers rendering process and parsing the contents to the viewer, who made a click. 
a.1: well if you are a company and you can do this your own and u need a framework, (millions of frameworks), you and all of us we are following should be renamed to IDIOTS.

b. making those frameworks more and more popular really a business in reallity
c. some idiots sitting in banks/high job fields make those frameworks more popular for a shit
d. when we are talking about performence we go to cgi or bash shell, search those frameworks

Those job fields and those job providers are some kind of hipnotised on those names, nothing else.. 

There are many ppls who not beliveing on those frameworks (after the popularity in the market a ASS is also renamed as DIAMOND). 

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be true all those frameworks are some individuals like you and us creators, they for them self to sit in business make a frameworks, all of us and you, just got cheated by them.</p>
<p>1. If you are doing a ajax and ajax, dealing with GET/POST, where the performance carry? Browser or in Framework? you cant prove me how the cake/symfony can make more performance on top of that? Because he is using himself the core of it, where we can make more better by pure hand muscles coder, like a guy wrote. You know what with respect f..k u too.</p>
<p>2. i use extJS, jQuery, and java for voip in local intranet solutions, the hell i ask to those frameworks designers, and the users, they does nothing, doing some packets switching for GET/POST. The rest thanks goes to PHP itself who is talking with shell.<br />
a. the rest shit happens, between browsers rendering process and parsing the contents to the viewer, who made a click.<br />
a.1: well if you are a company and you can do this your own and u need a framework, (millions of frameworks), you and all of us we are following should be renamed to IDIOTS.</p>
<p>b. making those frameworks more and more popular really a business in reallity<br />
c. some idiots sitting in banks/high job fields make those frameworks more popular for a shit<br />
d. when we are talking about performence we go to cgi or bash shell, search those frameworks</p>
<p>Those job fields and those job providers are some kind of hipnotised on those names, nothing else.. </p>
<p>There are many ppls who not beliveing on those frameworks (after the popularity in the market a ASS is also renamed as DIAMOND). </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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