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		<title>By: Toan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 10:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>user Cakeui CMS, it build on cakephp framework, a bit like drupal CMS

http://cakeui.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>user Cakeui CMS, it build on cakephp framework, a bit like drupal CMS</p>
<p><a href="http://cakeui.com" rel="nofollow">http://cakeui.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: CakePHP &#8211; The Best PHP Framework &#124; The Weber Report &#124; Velocity Software Solutions (P) Ltd.</title>
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		<dc:creator>CakePHP &#8211; The Best PHP Framework &#124; The Weber Report &#124; Velocity Software Solutions (P) Ltd.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] prefer a framework like cake which is kinder on those using sloppy coding practices. &#8230;More: CakePHP &#8211; The Best PHP Framework &#124; The Weber ReportReturn to topTagged: basics, cake-which, few-people, php, problem, really-didn, sloppy-coding, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] prefer a framework like cake which is kinder on those using sloppy coding practices. &#8230;More: CakePHP &#8211; The Best PHP Framework | The Weber ReportReturn to topTagged: basics, cake-which, few-people, php, problem, really-didn, sloppy-coding, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 05:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Started with Rails and have recently needed to put together a few small projects in CakePHP. Maybe it&#039;s a PHP vs Ruby issue, but I would definitely say that Rails is way more polished, uses beautiful (maintainable) code and has amazing documentation (railscasts.com anyone?). 

The toughest part of Rails seems to be deployment, but that&#039;s changing pretty quick with things like Passenger.

Either way, CakePHP needs it&#039;s own version of Railscasts.com... or just better and broader documentation. I was initially really excited to get back into PHP and learn another framework, but the lack of solid documentation has been draining so far :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Started with Rails and have recently needed to put together a few small projects in CakePHP. Maybe it&#8217;s a PHP vs Ruby issue, but I would definitely say that Rails is way more polished, uses beautiful (maintainable) code and has amazing documentation (railscasts.com anyone?). </p>
<p>The toughest part of Rails seems to be deployment, but that&#8217;s changing pretty quick with things like Passenger.</p>
<p>Either way, CakePHP needs it&#8217;s own version of Railscasts.com&#8230; or just better and broader documentation. I was initially really excited to get back into PHP and learn another framework, but the lack of solid documentation has been draining so far <img src='http://www.dustinweber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: WebDev since 1995</title>
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		<dc:creator>WebDev since 1995</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 03:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cakePHP like... sucks...

it&#039;s documentation doesn&#039;t suck because there isn&#039;t one yet.

it also ranks close-to-bottom on most benchmarks I&#039;ve seen. Rock-solid-bottom on my own benchmarks...

it is written for PHP4. Not that this matters a lot, but come on... there isn&#039;t even a backward compatibility issue, since anything pre-1.2 is completely unusable.

I use CodeIgniter and Kohana... experimenting with lithium (PHP 5.3) and for CMS, I like using Joomla (which is a full-blown CMS that beats cake in speed and footprint).

drop cake. no future there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cakePHP like&#8230; sucks&#8230;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s documentation doesn&#8217;t suck because there isn&#8217;t one yet.</p>
<p>it also ranks close-to-bottom on most benchmarks I&#8217;ve seen. Rock-solid-bottom on my own benchmarks&#8230;</p>
<p>it is written for PHP4. Not that this matters a lot, but come on&#8230; there isn&#8217;t even a backward compatibility issue, since anything pre-1.2 is completely unusable.</p>
<p>I use CodeIgniter and Kohana&#8230; experimenting with lithium (PHP 5.3) and for CMS, I like using Joomla (which is a full-blown CMS that beats cake in speed and footprint).</p>
<p>drop cake. no future there.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you need a good ORM like Doctrine then Cake is not the best

why all your posts about the best symfony have been deleted ? :)

I&#039;m not sure also you understand what is Zend Framework, which is good for big entreprises applications

have a good trip !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you need a good ORM like Doctrine then Cake is not the best</p>
<p>why all your posts about the best symfony have been deleted ? <img src='http://www.dustinweber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure also you understand what is Zend Framework, which is good for big entreprises applications</p>
<p>have a good trip !</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few problems with CakePHP.

1 - It is slow, really slow. I find it pretty incomprehensible how they managed to write a framework that is slower than Drupal  a full blown CMS. It is also pretty heavy on teh memory compared to other PHP frameworks.

2 - Documentation, it really isn&#039;t very good. Nor does it help information seems to be spread out all over the place.

3 - The project manager and lead developer left the project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few problems with CakePHP.</p>
<p>1 &#8211; It is slow, really slow. I find it pretty incomprehensible how they managed to write a framework that is slower than Drupal  a full blown CMS. It is also pretty heavy on teh memory compared to other PHP frameworks.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; Documentation, it really isn&#8217;t very good. Nor does it help information seems to be spread out all over the place.</p>
<p>3 &#8211; The project manager and lead developer left the project.</p>
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		<title>By: Professional</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professional</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with phpnut - CakePHP really does suck. This article is very nice and feel-good, but wasn&#039;t written by an object oriented developer; it was written by a web designer. The &#039;pros&#039; listed for CakePHP are basically that it is a framework (enforces MVC separation, naming conventions, standard modeling interactions, etc), but they are by no means unique to CakePHP. These features are unique to the idea of using a framework. I would suggest, if you are a run-of-the-mill web developer and you want to put out a simple site with simple database schema and no complex application logic, then give Cake a shot. Its V/C libraries are decent, and its development cycle is rather clean. But if you want to do any real database- or logic-intensive work, then PLEASE, do yourself a favor and at a MINIMUM, swap out Cake&#039;s model layer for something real (I would suggest Doctrine) - or do yourself a real favor and use a mature MVC like Symfony.
I use CakePHP and I have been a backend developer for around 20 years (10 years professionally), and it is common in my workplace to write more code to work with Cake&#039;s model layer than I am saving over using no model layer at all. And as any OO developer knows, this also translates into code that is completely un-maintainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with phpnut &#8211; CakePHP really does suck. This article is very nice and feel-good, but wasn&#8217;t written by an object oriented developer; it was written by a web designer. The &#8216;pros&#8217; listed for CakePHP are basically that it is a framework (enforces MVC separation, naming conventions, standard modeling interactions, etc), but they are by no means unique to CakePHP. These features are unique to the idea of using a framework. I would suggest, if you are a run-of-the-mill web developer and you want to put out a simple site with simple database schema and no complex application logic, then give Cake a shot. Its V/C libraries are decent, and its development cycle is rather clean. But if you want to do any real database- or logic-intensive work, then PLEASE, do yourself a favor and at a MINIMUM, swap out Cake&#8217;s model layer for something real (I would suggest Doctrine) &#8211; or do yourself a real favor and use a mature MVC like Symfony.<br />
I use CakePHP and I have been a backend developer for around 20 years (10 years professionally), and it is common in my workplace to write more code to work with Cake&#8217;s model layer than I am saving over using no model layer at all. And as any OO developer knows, this also translates into code that is completely un-maintainable.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say CakePHP is the worst framework ever... I do feel it is lagging behind the advancements of PHP5 and could also use some code cleanup. I noticed some of the classes use PHP5&#039;s new features, while the rest of the classes are still using the PHP4 style with &quot;var&quot; and assigning by reference using &quot;&amp;&quot;, where in PHP5 everything is by reference by default. I&#039;m also noticing as I&#039;m going through more of the framework that It appears as if some things have been neglected for quite some time... Also while I was looking up how to integrate smarty into Cake, I found that the SmartyView wasn&#039;t even functional anymore... So I&#039;ve had to recode that. I also find the site a little hard to navigate. I&#039;m tempted to start my own framework that is a lightweight hybrid between Smarty and Cake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say CakePHP is the worst framework ever&#8230; I do feel it is lagging behind the advancements of PHP5 and could also use some code cleanup. I noticed some of the classes use PHP5&#8217;s new features, while the rest of the classes are still using the PHP4 style with &#8220;var&#8221; and assigning by reference using &#8220;&amp;&#8221;, where in PHP5 everything is by reference by default. I&#8217;m also noticing as I&#8217;m going through more of the framework that It appears as if some things have been neglected for quite some time&#8230; Also while I was looking up how to integrate smarty into Cake, I found that the SmartyView wasn&#8217;t even functional anymore&#8230; So I&#8217;ve had to recode that. I also find the site a little hard to navigate. I&#8217;m tempted to start my own framework that is a lightweight hybrid between Smarty and Cake.</p>
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		<title>By: Karuppasamy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karuppasamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Is The Theme you used for the word press. It is Look Very Nice and also put the tinymce and smiles for comments it also generate more look to your blog.

With Regrads

P.karuppasamy 
( Developer in php )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Is The Theme you used for the word press. It is Look Very Nice and also put the tinymce and smiles for comments it also generate more look to your blog.</p>
<p>With Regrads</p>
<p>P.karuppasamy<br />
( Developer in php )</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Wes Grant &amp; @ Chris Robbins:

HAH - nice to see ya&#039;ll are still stuck in your ways.  Some things just don&#039;t change! wink</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Wes Grant &#038; @ Chris Robbins:</p>
<p>HAH &#8211; nice to see ya&#8217;ll are still stuck in your ways.  Some things just don&#8217;t change! wink</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Robbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with Wes :-) TTYL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Wes <img src='http://www.dustinweber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  TTYL</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 09:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, was wondering if you can do a review of Akelos?  http://www.akelos.org/  What do you think?  Here&#039;s the frameworks guide: http://www.phpframeworks.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, was wondering if you can do a review of Akelos?  <a href="http://www.akelos.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.akelos.org/</a>  What do you think?  Here&#8217;s the frameworks guide: <a href="http://www.phpframeworks.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.phpframeworks.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wes Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really should check out Zend Framework.  Far superior to Cake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really should check out Zend Framework.  Far superior to Cake!</p>
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		<title>By: Harsha M V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harsha M V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am taking your advice and starting cakephp.. Will get back here in a few days and post my review and experience.

Thanx Dustin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am taking your advice and starting cakephp.. Will get back here in a few days and post my review and experience.</p>
<p>Thanx Dustin</p>
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		<title>By: phpnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>phpnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CakePHP sucks, it is by far the worst framework I have ever used (for any language). Why people persist with it is beyond me. Maybe it is just plain ignorance (I hope for the sake of all sanity that this is the case).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CakePHP sucks, it is by far the worst framework I have ever used (for any language). Why people persist with it is beyond me. Maybe it is just plain ignorance (I hope for the sake of all sanity that this is the case).</p>
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